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Poll: "Two Men Kissing" more offensive than "Graphically Severed Human Head"

Seeded on Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:48 AM EDT
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According to the poll, images of sex -- be they of a heterosexual couple getting it on, or of two men kissing -- are more offensive than images of a severed human head...

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Al Qaeda operatives recently caught wind of this and released a shocking video depicting U.S. soldiers being smooched by their captors as well as engaging in over-the-uniform/under-the-flack-jacket petting.

  • 23 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:55 AM EDT
Russ R.

This is, of course, an unscientific sampling of a few hundred respondents, who may or may not be answering truthfully.

Well, I'm on board with it then!

I know it's illegal to smack your child, but if the outcome of this poll is accurate, then I want to head a committee that goes around open-palm smacking these parents right across their faces. Maybe the blow will help open their eyes. Who's with me?

  • 14 votes
Reply#2 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:33 AM EDT
M. Remmers

Huh? We're smacking someone? I'm in.

  • 12 votes
#2.1 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:57 AM EDT
Dennis P. McCannDeleted
M. Remmers

Kiss them? I dunno about that. This seems like the perfect opportunity to lay down some of the old ultraviolence on unsuspecting rubes and then blame it all on Grand Theft Auto.

  • 11 votes
#2.3 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:22 AM EDT
David Mc Girr

Viddy good me old droogie... viddy good.

-Dave

  • 2 votes
#2.4 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:48 PM EDT
ajdamore

Nah, let's go kiss them. That'll really piss them off.

Sounds fun.

  • 1 vote
#2.5 - Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:28 AM EDT
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Mars313

Of course, violence is more acceptable than love, this is Amerika. God knows we don't want our kids to see sex, or homo-love, but we're totally cool with them playing violent video games, watching reality TV, and seeing severed heads. That's the way God would want it.

  • 19 votes
Reply#3 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:07 AM EDT
The Observer

America is not spelled with a "K."

    #3.1 - Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:29 AM EDT
    Dennis P. McCannDeleted
    Mars313

    America is not spelled with a "K."

    And this isn't America.

    • 3 votes
    #3.3 - Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:45 PM EDT
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    biggerthebetter

    When murder is more acceptable to you than a display of human affection, you are done for.

    • 23 votes
    Reply#4 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:20 AM EDT
    Ms CYPRAH

    When murder is more acceptable to you than a display of human affection, you are done for.

    Brilliantly said, biggerthebetter. How little value we put on human life that gruesome death can be equated with kissing.

    • 3 votes
    #4.1 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:30 PM EDT
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    jfrank

    what if a gay guy kissed the severed head of another gay guy.

    • 23 votes
    Reply#5 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:20 AM EDT
    Dennis P. McCannDeleted
    M. Remmers

    Conservatives would point out that necrophilia is the next logical progression of homosexuality. It only makes sense.

    • 16 votes
    #5.2 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:25 AM EDT
    Mykola Bilokonsky

    After turtle-@!$%#ing, right?

    • 6 votes
    #5.3 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:48 AM EDT
    Russ R.

    Who's not titalated by an ornate brightly-colored boxshell? A stronger man than me, that's who.

    • 6 votes
    #5.4 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:52 AM EDT
    biggerthebetter

    Which head, jfrank?

    ;)

    • 1 vote
    #5.5 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:10 PM EDT
    ajdamore

    Conservatives would point out that necrophilia is the next logical progression of homosexuality. It only makes sense.

    Yeah. That would likely happen.

    Which head, jfrank?

    I have to take the immortal word of Lorelai Gilmore (Lauren Graham) from Gilmore Girls here. "Dirty!"

      #5.6 - Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:34 AM EDT
      jfrank

      Conservatives wouldn't like it if someone inferred that priesthood is the first step to pedophilia.

      I don't believe that. Just saying.

      • 2 votes
      #5.7 - Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:38 PM EDT
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      Disappointed in GA

      Neither one is "offensive".

      • 3 votes
      Reply#6 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:31 AM EDT
      agio

      What does "graphically severed" mean? Getting your head chopped off by a razor sharp pie chart?

      • 17 votes
      Reply#7 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:05 AM EDT
      Green Henry

      Brilliant!

      • 9 votes
      #7.1 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:19 AM EDT
      jfrank

      It's done by cartoons.

      Wile E. Coyote finally got that Road Runner.

      • 2 votes
      #7.2 - Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:37 AM EDT
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      Belarius

      According to the poll, images of sex -- be they of a heterosexual couple getting it on, or of two men kissing -- are more offensive than images of a severed human head.

      Hold the phone. Two men kissing counts as "sex" now?

      • 10 votes
      Reply#8 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:32 AM EDT
      SteveHouse

      A woman was trying to buy her 12-year old daughter some games for Christmas, and overhearing me talking about games, asked me for advice. She picked up one of the Resident Evils and asked me if it was any good. I told her that it was an excellent game, but quite violent and scary. "Oh, that's no problem," she replied. "But there's no, you know, people having relations in it, is there?"

      I've got no joke. When I read this my head kinda froze and I couldn't think of anything.

      • 12 votes
      Reply#9 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:13 PM EDT
      Miss Dev

      I love that in Grand Theft Auto you can commit any and every crime in the gambit - shoot, destroy, demolish, drunk drive - and parents will buy copy after copy for their kids. But when it was discovered that you could unlock the "hot coffee" sections and watch the characters have bizarre pixel-people sex - EVERYBODY PANIC!

      • 10 votes
      Reply#10 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:03 PM EDT
      SteveHouse

      Meh. Everybody was already panicking over GTA and always has been. Rockstar loves it. It makes people check the game out.

      • 3 votes
      #10.1 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:08 PM EDT
      Miss Dev

      Actually, any new copy of GTA that you buy has the Hot Coffee feature disabled (my boyfriend found this out much to his dismay). I just find it interesting that so many people have no problem with the kind of random violence in that game - but they freak when they find out that you can actually watch simulated sex (in which you see absolutely nothing) in a video game. Silly.

      • 6 votes
      #10.2 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:01 PM EDT
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      wmolaw

      I recall a study that was begun in Canada concerning pornography and violence.

      It was undertaken to determine the effect of both (visual) on humans.

      The upshot was that on the porno side, there was no discernible change in personality other than some men and women felt a bit more anxious as they became excited watching acts of homosexuality.

      The researchers stopped the study on violence because it was causing such personality changing effects they felt like they could not go further.

      I will tell you, however, to try to make this a "right" or "left" issue is pretty much a crock.

      I have never understood the porno laws here, or elsewhere frankly. You can show all of a woman, but can't show the penis of a man. Is a penis that BAD?

      It's all bizarre. Kind of like the drug laws. All strange, and a weird effect of those with agendas seeking to have those agendas made law through governmental action.

      • 6 votes
      Reply#11 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:05 PM EDT
      SteveHouse

      That's interesting, because all of the violence debate research I know of says pretty much the opposite on the effects of violent content. Where's a source for this study?

      • 4 votes
      #11.1 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:13 PM EDT
      Miss Dev

      I have never understood the porno laws here, or elsewhere frankly. You can show all of a woman, but can't show the penis of a man. Is a penis that BAD?

      It's like a woman's breasts in public - a man can be bare-chested, no problem, but if a woman was to walk around shirtless, it would be a huge scandal (I'm referring to American society in this statement). Even women who are just wishing to breastfeed their children are often forced to conceal themselves because breasts are seen strictly as sex objects.

      • 7 votes
      #11.2 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:03 PM EDT
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      cyregray

      Well the article itself seems to have no value:

      This is, of course, an unscientific sampling of a few hundred respondents, who may or may not be answering truthfully. That said, it's an interesting snapshot of our cultural taboos.

      Further, there were only four items on the survey... so it's not scientific at all.

      Beyond that - how often do we see two men kissing in video games? Now compare that with how often graphic violence is seen and well... the poll makes no sense what so ever.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#12 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:23 PM EDT
      No Hype

      The headline on newsvine.com, Poll: "Two Men Kissing" more offensive than "Graphically Severed Human Head" is homophobic and misleading - more people in this stupid, pointless, non-scientific poll actually found heterosexual contact between a man and a woman more offensive than two men kissing. Besides the fact that the whole poll is absurd and seeding it is ridiculous, the headline tries to milk it for shock value. That I even had to see this on newsvine.com is the most offensive thing of all!

      • 3 votes
      Reply#13 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:19 PM EDT
      M. Remmers

      The headline on newsvine.com, Poll: "Two Men Kissing" more offensive than "Graphically Severed Human Head" is homophobic and misleading...

      I'm not sure how the headline itself is homophobic but I'll gladly spot you some credence even though you're new here.

      That said, I submitted a "poll" that found "two men kissing" to be more offensive than a "graphically severed human head". Sorry for misleading you with a headline that's accurate. As for the validity of of this poll, I'll repost what the author of this seed says since it doesn't appear you read it:

      This is, of course, an unscientific sampling of a few hundred respondents, who may or may not be answering truthfully. That said, it's an interesting snapshot of our cultural taboos.

      • 5 votes
      #13.1 - Sat Apr 12, 2008 7:10 AM EDT
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      dingler

      whats even more disturbing is images in your mind of post gay sex. like does it dribble down their legs? are they kind of gassy the next morning?

      is there a medical term for post gay sex drip?

      if my memory serves me right Savage Love came up with a term called Santorum named after the Senator

      www.spreadingsantorum.com

      • 1 vote
      Reply#14 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:45 PM EDT
      M. Remmers

      "Santorum", as Mr. Savage coined it, is defined as ""that frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex." I bet you'd see better results from the folks looking to sway others from homosexuality if they focused less on the fire-and-brimstone punishment and more on what a bitch this must be to get out of your sheets.

      • 2 votes
      #14.1 - Sat Apr 12, 2008 6:41 AM EDT
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      The OttO Show

      On the assumption that this poll can be taken seriously, why is this so hard to appreciate? Maybe it should be supplemented with polls that show what percentage of kids or even Americans have beheaded someone vs. how many are contracting STD's and having unwanted pregnancies or can't commit to a relationship because their concept of sex had been jaded since before they were old enough to understand it. Real people and parents aren't interested in what leftists and homosexuals find offensive but rather what is having the most direct impact on the next generation.

      We can blame a lot of things on the self-indulgent baby-boomer mentality (including the glorification of all means of sex and the normalization of homosexuality) but to their credit they aren't giving high school seminars on the joys of decapitating people. Parents I suspect are also more troubled by the glorification of drug use than they are of the depictions of beheadings as well because that is an actual cultural struggle that claims the minds and lives of their children.

      Not to say that manufactured images of violence isn't a problem, especially in video games and mind-numbing slasher/torture films geared at young people but there's a practicality to the perspective presented here. When we are having a cultural battle between people encouraging the practice of violence to make people feel good about themselves and people trying to stop young people from practicing that kind of gratuitous violence, then we can reevaluate this.

      Sex ruins the lives of young people in America far more than cartoonish violence ever has. If you disagree with that then you must not be one of those who believes that abortion is a necessary tool to keep people from having to live with their "mistakes", as Sen. Obama believes. With some highschool surveys showing that one in four teenagers have an STD, it seems pretty obvious what should be more troubling to people.

      It's easier to raise a generation to not murder than it is in this day and age to raise them not to destroy their own lives and happiness through a twisted concept of what sex should mean to them.

      Here's the cincher: because of media and entertainment we have become numb to gratuitous violence, apparently even more so than we have become numb to gratuitous sex - and I gather from reading the posts here that those who are so shocked by this finding aren't upset that people are so numb to violence but rather that they aren't simply rolling over to the sexualization of society. Which on some level, means that the past forty years of attempting to sexualize society hasn't produced exactly what the free-love agenda has been out to accomplish.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#15 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:48 PM EDT
      Belarius

      Real people and parents aren't interested in what leftists and homosexuals find offensive but rather what is having the most direct impact on the next generation.

      Stop and consider how much better the above paragraphs would sound with the removal of this frankly baffling false dichotomy.

      • 2 votes
      #15.1 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:25 PM EDT
      The OttO Show

      I see what you're getting at and that wasn't what I was going for. Poor choice of words - it should say instead, "People and parents who appreciate the damage that sex can have for a society aren't interested..."

      I haven't taken any sniper fire in Bosnia but I'll still chalk it up to a "misspeak" on my part.

      So that should fix the rest of the post in your eyes, correct?

      • 1 vote
      #15.2 - Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:40 PM EDT
      Henry VII

      God damned kids that get all those STD from kissing...

      • 4 votes
      #15.3 - Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:05 AM EDT
      Smiling Jack

      Sex ruins the lives of young people in America far more than cartoonish violence ever has. If you disagree with that then you must not be one of those who believes that abortion is a necessary tool to keep people from having to live with their "mistakes", as Sen. Obama believes. With some highschool surveys showing that one in four teenagers have an STD, it seems pretty obvious what should be more troubling to people.

      One of the many wonderful gifts granted to us by President George is that young people actually can appreciate the possibility of very real violence at the hands of an enemy insurgent in Iraq, should they contemplate joining the material. And many of them may have had relatives shot in Iraq.

      Personally, I think losing a relative to violence is pretty shocking. But hey, that's just me.

      I do think your rationalization of homophobia is interesting, I wasn't sure what your take on this one would be.

      • 2 votes
      #15.4 - Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:52 AM EDT
      M. Remmers

      Otto has officially swayed me. Grisly homicides are now definitely more acceptable than two guys playing consensual tonsil hockey. Also, being subjected to the thought of two greasy dudes gettin' it on has "numbed" my heterosexuality and turned me queer. Now I have to replace all the furniture in my apartment after I just threw away that damn IKEA catalog, too.

      • 4 votes
      #15.5 - Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:47 AM EDT
      Russ R.

      Oh boy, look what you did Remmer's. You started a culture war with the leftist-homosexual-terrorist lovers and good patriotic American's like Otto.

      The homophobic undercurrents of your posting, Otto, are saturating my screen and it's quite disturbing. Having read many of your other articles here on Newsvine I have to either believe that what you type is a joke, because you've just become this caricature of a dying way of thinking.

      I live in a condo complex and living next door to my wife and I is a lovely couple, Nate and Dave. The nicest people that we've met since moving here. They were the first couple to ring our doorbell and greet us to the neighborhood and brought us these cool little tomato plants. (Oddly enough I love growing tomatoes, but that's for another article.) Nate has even helped my wife bring in our groceries one day when I wasn't home.

      Across the street from us is a heterosexual couple, I don't know their names as they rarely greet anyone. It has become almost a weekly ritual to hear him screaming at her and them fighting. Mind you, I hear this from across the street, so you can see it's pretty heated. On two separate occasions in our month living here the police have had to come at night. One of the other neighbors has said that he has already been taken into the station once for striking her.

      Nate and Dave hold hands and peck each other on the cheek while they walk their dog. But because you think what they do in the privacy of their own bedroom is icky I'm not allowed to teach my child that their relationship is normal? Am I supposed to tell my child that them loving each other is bad, and they should be feared and ridiculed more than the man who hits his girlfriend/wife?

      And then there is everything else that is wrong with what you say, but this has already gotten off-topic enough. Eventually your generation will be old and feeble, immobilized in nursing homes, and my generation will be running this country. Then maybe we can get past these trite "culture war" arguments and get on with each person living their lives as good people. So, even if this poll is serious, then no we should not appreciate it. If it is serious we should take action to help those stats flip around.

      • 4 votes
      #15.6 - Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:39 AM EDT
      Dennis P. McCannDeleted
      biggerthebetter

      Well, in future generations when more kids ARE beheading people or committing violence, we'll have people like you to thank for it, the Otto show....a case of the clap can be cured with penicillin; a case of beheading is generally fatal....

      • 2 votes
      #15.8 - Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:12 PM EDT
      Russ R.

      ... and a case of the teenage pregnancies (which you were eluding too with your abortion talk) can be cured with proper education. Not forcing abstinence onto teenagers.

      Teenagers have sex. They're genetically programmed to do. That's what they do now, and what they always done since the dawn of civilization. So, teach them that there will be consequences for doing it recklessly.

      • 4 votes
      #15.9 - Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:33 PM EDT
      Belarius

      I see what you're getting at and that wasn't what I was going for. Poor choice of words - it should say instead, "People and parents who appreciate the damage that sex can have for a society aren't interested..."

      Let's see if I've got this correct: you assert that a flippant attitude toward sex and tolerance for homosexuality endangers the youth, right? If that's true, then why is it that the South (hardly a bastion of sexual tolerance) is awash with pre-teen pregnancies and STDs? Why is it that we see many more sex offenders in Utah, Texas, and Virginia than we do in New York, California, or Massachusetts? When you actually look at which parts of the country have a higher level of tolerance for sexual differences and sex in general, you do not see a higher rate of sexual irresponsibility or misconduct. If anything, the sex-fearing "wholesome" Americans appear more likely to be spreading disease and getting 12-year-olds pregnant.

      • 5 votes
      #15.10 - Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:50 PM EDT
      Ms CYPRAH

      Teenagers have sex. They're genetically programmed to do. That's what they do now, and what they always done since the dawn of civilization. So, teach them that there will be consequences for doing it recklessly.

      Amen to that, Russ R, instead of continually focusing on it to the detriment of other things in their lives, or tying to stop the urge, to make sex extraordinary or to pretend that it is the most important thing on earth. It might be the most enjoyable, but it is certainly not more important than food or water because without those we simply die!

      • 4 votes
      #15.11 - Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:28 AM EDT
      Glinda

      It's easier to raise a generation to not murder than it is in this day and age to raise them not to destroy their own lives and happiness through a twisted concept of what sex should mean to them.

      You're saying kids would rather have sex than kill someone.... and that's bad?

      • 3 votes
      #15.12 - Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:38 AM EDT
      David Mc Girr

      You're saying kids would rather have sex than kill someone.... and that's bad?

      No, no no. We just want them to have "wholesome" sex, not pervert sex.

      -Dave

      • 2 votes
      #15.13 - Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:20 AM EDT
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      jfrank

      Sex should never be a taboo subject. Since it's how we repopulate.

      More younger people know about sex, the better.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#16 - Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:54 AM EDT
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